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  • 【键盘侠】保罗能否排进控卫历史前五|巅峰期CP3到底有多强

    2019-09-07 来源:足球直播网

    Love him or hate him, Chris Paul is statistically a top 5 point guard of all time. Although he is getting older, watch him while you can.

    不管你对他是爱还是烦,从技术统计上来看,克里斯-保罗就是历史前五的控卫。他的年纪越来越大了,趁着还有机会,好好看他打球吧。

    To put things in perspective:

    CP3 has a AST/TO ratio of 4.1 the highest by any PG in the regular season of all time. The second is Stockton at 3.72

    CP3 has a 47.2 AST% and 13 TO%, difference being 34.2% the highest by any PG. Second is Stockton at 29.4

    CP3 has the highest PER among point guards of all time with 25.7. Coming in second is Magic with 24.1

    CP3 also has the highest WS per 48 min of all point guards with 0.249. Magic is second with 0.225

    CP3 boasts an offensive rating of 122 the highest of all time, second being Stockton and Magic with 121. In addition, he is tied first with Stockton and Magic for defensive rating with 104

    深入解析他的数据:

    保罗的常规赛助攻失误比高达4.1,比历史上任何控卫都高。排在第二的是斯托克顿的3.72.

    保罗的助攻率为47.2%,失误率为13%,两项统计之差为34.2%,居于所有控卫之首。排在第二的是斯托克顿的29.4%。

    保罗的个人效率值是25.7,居于历史所有控卫之首。紧随其后的是魔术师的24.1.

    保罗的每48分钟的胜利贡献值是0.249,居于所有控卫之首。紧随其后的是魔术师的0.225.

    保罗的进攻效率值高达122,历史第一,斯托克顿和魔术师以121并列第二。此外,保罗的防守效率值与斯托克顿、魔术师并列第一,三人均是104.

    Among all point guards, CP3 has the highest BPM with 7.5. Second is Magic with 7.2

    At his absolute peak, avg ~23/6/11 along with nearly 3 steals, shooting 60 TS%. This was in 2008-09. The year before, he finished 2nd in MVP voting, avg ~21/4/12 along with nearly 3 steals and a PER of 28.3

    在所有控卫中,保罗的BPM为7.5,位列第一,之后是魔术师的7.2.

    他在绝对巅峰时期,场均可贡献23分11助6板,抢断近3个,真实命中率为60%。这就是2008/09赛季的保罗。在这个赛季之前,他在MVP投票中名列第二,场均可输出21分4板12助约3断,个人效率值高达28.3.

    He flops, he whines and some might say he's a dirty player. Along with his postseason deficiencies, CP3 is not the most popular player among new fans.

    But its the very same fans that love advanced metrics and statistics, and if we're going to base it off that - CP3 is no question a top 5 point guard of all time.

    他假摔,他喜欢抱怨,有些人或许还觉得他打球脏。再考虑到他在季后赛表现的低效,他在新球迷群体心目中不是那种最受欢迎的球员。

    可同样是这些球迷,他们喜欢看那些高阶指标和数据,如果我们要以此为立脚点的话,那么毫无疑问,保罗就是历史前五的控卫。

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    [–]Lakers ShaneNelson123 920 指標 4 天前

    He’s not even a bad postseason player at all either. He basically just gets injured or one of his team’s best players gets injured.

    Career 18.5/4.5/9.7 .580 TS 25.3 PER in RS.

    Career 20.9//5.1/8.5 .579 TS 24.5 PER in PS.

    湖人球迷:其实保罗压根就不是那种季后赛表现一般的球员。只是他通常要么自己受伤,要么队里的头牌之一受伤。

    他的常规赛生涯场均数据是:18.5分4.5板9.7助,真实命中率58%,效率值为25.3;

    他的季后赛生涯场均数据是:20.9分5.1板8.5助,真实命中率57.9%,效率值为24.5.

    [–]Hornets Namath96 12 指標 4 天前

    Actually among all time games he is one of the few guys who’s numbers dont really drop off at all

    黄蜂球迷:实际上呢,那些越到关键比赛数据越是不下滑的球员少之又少,而保罗其实是其中之一。

    [–]Kekukoka 534 指標 4 天前

    He was considered an elite and clutch playoff performer until the one mistake against OKC. It's just stupid narrative nonsense.

    在对阵雷霆那年的季后赛失误之前,保罗一直是大家心目中顶级且大心脏的季后赛球员。那些说他季后赛不行的,纯粹是舆论在作妖。

    [–]SonofNamek 8 指標 4 天前

    He needs to join up on a competing team ala old Payton or Kidd.

    Even though he'll be past his prime, helping younger stars win a ring will be what cements his legacy even higher than it is now. His stats and impact on his teammates are just that good.

    他应该效仿老佩顿和基德,加盟一支可以争冠的球队。

    即便他现在已经过了巅峰期,但是他可以帮助年轻球星追逐戒指,这可以让他进一步提升个人成就。他的数据和他对队友的影响力依然很优秀。

    [–]Mavericks DocPhlox 30 指標 4 天前

    He's so injury prone he just can't make it all the way to the end, dude needs his load managed.

    独行侠球迷:他就是太玻璃人了,没法一直坚持到最后,这老哥得好好进行负荷管理了。

    [–]Pistons gapmoeisjustice 15 指標 4 天前

    That's probably one of the biggest knocks on Paul. Dude missed so many games throughout his career.

    It doesn't matter how good you are if you aren't on the court playing.

    活塞球迷:这也许就是保罗身上最大的短板之一。他职业生涯至今已经缺席太多比赛了。

    如果你都没法上场打球,那你再怎么出色也不顶用。

    [–]NBA tdotRuk 185 指標 4 天前

    his 2008 playoffs for the hornets was awesome if i remember right and the first round clips-spurs was an all time great first rounder. Lowe talked about on his post about non of his playoff moments will be remembered cause they happened in the first round.

    如果我没记错的话,他2008年在黄蜂时期的季后赛表现非常出色。对上马刺的首轮系列赛是历史顶尖的首轮对决。Zach Lowe说过,保罗的季后赛瞬间不会为人所铭记,因为那都是在首轮出现的。

    [–]Mavericks impetergraves 58 指標 4 天前

    The year the hornets played the Lakers in the first round ('09 I think?) Chris Paul played out of his mind. It was just that he literally had no help outside of David West. I hate Chris Paul as a personality, but he's just so damn talented and smart.

    独行侠球迷:黄蜂在季后赛首轮碰上湖人的那年,保罗打疯了。除了大卫-韦斯特之外,他身边其实没有任何帮手。我不喜欢保罗的作风,不过他真特么有天赋,而且球商又高。

    [–]HalpMehProgram 25 指標 4 天前

    2011, he literally did not miss one midrange that series

    那是2011年,他在那轮系列赛几乎没有投丢中投。

    [–]Dirty Thunderer 26 指標 4 天前*

    Hornets/Pelicans have been low key the worst team in the league at building around a superstar. Almost every team that drafts a truly top top tier star at least makes the finals with him. You need either incredibly terrible luck (eg. Rose) or incredibly terrible management (eg. KG Wolves) to not build a contender after you land a player of the highest level.

    And yet Hornets/Pelicans have messed it up not once but twice, first with CP3 and then with AD.

    Thankfully they seem to have competent leadership now to build around Zion, but CP3 was very unlucky to end up on that team. He'll be underrated forever because of it, similar to KG.

    说到围绕一个超巨建队的本事,黄蜂一直都算得上是联盟最菜的了。那些真正选中一个超顶尖球星的球队基本都至少能在这个超巨的带领下打进总决赛。得到那种顶尖球星之后却没法将球队打造出争冠实力,要么是因为运气稀烂,要么是因为管理层稀烂。

    而黄蜂在这方面不止一次失手,先是保罗,然后又是戴维斯。

    幸运的是,他们现在似乎有了一套围绕锡安建队的称职的领导层,不过那些年的保罗太不走运了。正因如此,和加内特一样,他会永远被低估。

    [–][GSW] Adonal Foyle marshcraw 17 指標 4 天前

    I agree with you for the most part, but that ‘08 stating lineup was almost the perfect team for CP3 offensively. Tyson Chandler was the perfect Rim runner lob threat, then you had Mo Pete and Peja who were knock down 3 point shooters and finally was Davis west who was super reliable midrange/secondary passer. They just didn’t quite have the depth, but that team was built perfectly for Chris

    勇士球迷:楼上的大部分观点我都是认同的,不过08年黄蜂的那套首发就进攻上来说,几乎是为保罗量身定制的。泰森-钱德勒是完美的篮下高吊球攻筐者,还有能投三分的莫里斯-皮特森和佩贾,最后还有大卫-韦斯特,他的中投和支配球超级靠谱。那支黄蜂只是缺乏板凳深度而已,不过那支球队就是为保罗量身打造的。

    [–]randomguy000039 90 指標 4 天前

    Lillard was considered a clutch as hell player for years until the Blazers got swept, then he was a "playoff choker", then just a year later people went back to calling him clutch because he closed out the Thunder. People have goldfish memories and all that ever matters in public opinion is the last narrative.

    大家以前一直都觉得利拉德是那种超级大心脏球员,在开拓者季后赛被横扫之后,他成了“季后赛软蛋”,仅仅一年后大家又说他很头铁,因为他送雷霆上路了。人们的记忆力和金鱼一样,大众的认知仅仅会考量最近的舆论。

    [–][LAL] Shaquille O'Neal Father-Sha 25 指標 4 天前

    Well it's a "what have you done lately" type of game. New talent coming in every year. Old talent washing out every year. Players go from good to trash quickly so you cant expect to be viewed as the player you were yesterday if you aren't playing as good or better than yesterday. It's not really "goldfish memories" its "this is what I'm seeing with my eyes right now".

    湖人球迷:对啊,重点就是“你最近是什么表现”。每年都会有年轻的天赋涌现。老球星每年都会过气。球员实力从出色下滑到水货的过程是很快的,所以如果你不能保持或者是提高实力,那你就不能指望大家记着你的当年勇。其实大家真不是什么“金鱼的记忆”,而是“我现在看到的就是你这种表现”。

    [–]Heat Tamaskans 14 指標 4 天前

    That doesn't change the fact that Lillard was always a clutch player. Yet the narrative last year was the complete opposite.

    热火球迷:那也改变不了利拉德一直都很大心脏的事实啊。可是去年的舆论却是一边倒的贬低他。

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    [–]Eastthe-pax 11 指標 4 天前

    This sub only recognizes achievements since the 2015 season when the GSW won their first championship. Please edit your post to only include his stats since then.

    这个专区只认可自2015年勇士首冠之后的成绩,麻烦楼主把主贴内容编辑下,只提保罗自勇士首冠之后的数据表现就好。

    [–][BKN] Spencer Dinwiddie Awesomeskrzr 962 指標 4 天前

    I’m here for the Point God respect.

    篮网球迷:我点进来就是为了向控卫之神致敬的。

    [–]senpieuwu 9 指標 4 天前

    Lol prime cp3 was the most complete pg ever man. he ain’t no scrub

    哈哈哈哈,巅峰的保罗是史上最为全面的控卫。他可不是什么臭鱼烂虾。

    [–]carl73833 111 指標 4 天前

    A Warriors fan who actually respects the Point God, truly a man of culture

    我这个勇蜜还蛮有修养的吧,因为我真的很敬重控卫之神。

    [–]Warriors manisier 14 指標 4 天前

    Why would we not respect him? Sure his antics robbed us in a Game 7 and he constantly antagonised us with his BS on the Rockets, but real recognise real and he's a fantastic player

    勇士球迷:咱们凭啥能不尊重他?没错,他的一些小动作阴掉了我们的G7,而且他在火箭的时候也老是乱放炮针对我们,可是该认可的还是得认可,他确实是个很出色的球员。

    [–]Suns UndercoverClipperFan 189 指標 4 天前

    I hate Chris paul's attitude on the court, but there is no denying his greatness.

    太阳球迷:我讨厌保罗在场上的做派,可是我没法否认他的伟大。

    [–][POR] Brandon Roy youngLupe 53 指標 4 天前

    Who remembers feeling bad for cp3 as he tried to carry the hornets in the playoffs. David was good but imo never impactful enough. Cp3 singlehandedly made games competitive. If people hate whining they hate 90 percent of the nba.

    开拓者球迷:当年保罗一次次地尝试在季后赛里拖着黄蜂前行,有谁记得这并替他惋惜的。当时大卫-韦斯特还不错,可是我觉得他的场上影响力不够。保罗用一己之力让黄蜂打出了竞争力。如果有人讨厌球员的抱怨,那他们一定讨厌90%的NBA球员。

    [BOS] Rajon Rondo BrolysFavoriteNephew 24 指標 4 天前

    I agree really didnt become a fan of his until he joined the Clippers. The crap he pulled this postseason was not fun to watch but when hes on hes on. 20 ast no turnover game was magic

    凯尔特人球迷:同意。直到他去了快船我才真正成为他的粉丝。他在季后赛的叽叽歪歪确实不体面,可是当他状态在线时就另说了,那场20助0失误的比赛着实太神奇了。

    [–]76ers NotJoeyWheeler 253 指標 4 天前

    His “postseason deficiencies” are a weird narrative too. The team’s he’s been off haven’t been super successful, but he’s been consistently really, really good in the playoffs. That lack of success is not really due to his own production.

    76人球迷:他“季后赛低效”这种说法也真的是奇怪。他所在的球队一直都不是很成功,不过他在季后赛的表现其实一直都非常出色且稳定。球队不够成功真不能归咎于他的表现。

    [–]76ers BudotsKing 38 指標 4 天前

    He and Harden pushed the greatest team of all time to a game 7 and have a great shot of eliminating them. They were the only real threat to the KD Warriors. In context, that should have made them a better team than most champions of the past and they should get credit for it but in sports, if you arent first you are last and the media and fans dont give a crap about second place no matter how good the competition was.

    76人球迷:他和哈登联手把史上最强的勇士逼进了抢7,甚至一度很有机会淘汰对手。他们是KD时期勇士的唯一威胁。纵向比较的话,那支火箭本可以成为一支比过往很多冠军球队都要出色的球队,他们应该被大家所认可,可是在体育界,你没有得到第一那就是最次的,媒体和球迷可不在乎第二,也不在乎你的竞争力有多强。

    [–]South Korea Min0812 42 指標 4 天前

    Loved him on the NOLA Hornets

    Disliked him on the Clippers

    Hated him on the Rockets

    Thunder TBA

    韩国球迷:喜欢黄蜂时期的他,不喜欢快船时期的他,讨厌火箭时期的他。至于雷霆时期,有待观察。

    [–][SAS] Dominique Wilkins yannnny23 4 指標 3 天前

    I love CP3 regardless of what these 14 year olds say about him

    马刺球迷:不管你们这帮14岁的小孩儿怎么说保罗,我都爱他。

    [–][GSW] Stephen Curry Draper-11 43 指標 4 天前

    His PER is freaking ridiculous. Also remember that 20/20 game he had with no turnovers. I hate his antics but he’s an unbelievable player

    勇士球迷:他的个人效率值太特么不可思议了,我也记得那场他双20且0失误的比赛。我很讨厌那些小动作,但是他是个了不起的球员。

    [–]76ers BudotsKing 10 指標 4 天前

    CP3 consistently produced some aesthetically pleasing point guard numbers in his prime. He would have been the perfect traditional point guard if he wasnt so short and even then his defense was elite at that size. Make him 6'4 and he would easily be a top player in the league

    76人球迷:巅峰时期的保罗,可以不断贡献出一些让人赏心悦目的控卫数据。如果他没有这么矮的话,那他就是那种完美的传统控卫。即便是现在这个身形,他的防守也是顶级的。假如他有1米93,那他轻轻松松就能成为联盟第一人。

    [–]Rockets ManShutUp 3 指標 4 天前

    I think this next season, you're going to see the limits/possibilities of old man game. His athleticism is gone but he's as skilled as ever. Last season it seemed he was a bit unprepared for the physical drop which led to some questionable decisionmaking. Maybe this year he'll mentally catch up and show some good old man game.

    火箭球迷:我觉得到了新赛季,咱们可以看到老妖球员的比赛可能性。他的运动能力缺失了,不过他的技术没有退步。就上赛季来说,他貌似对身体机能的下滑有点准备不足,这就让他的某些决策显得漏洞百出。或许新赛季他的心态会调整过来,向大家展示一些出色的老汉球风。

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    [–][CLE] Cedi Osman Some-Other-Commenter 90 指標 4 天前

    Is there anyone doubting that he isn’t a top 5 point guard?

    骑士球迷:有人觉得他不是历史前五控卫的吗?

    [–]Clippers 2Blitz 17 指標 4 天前

    Yes a lot of people. Majority I've seen put him as borderline top 10. Not many people will consider putting him top 5 because of playoff success and his whiny attitude. Personally, he's definitely top 5.

    快船球迷:是的,人还挺多。我看到大部分人把他视作是控卫前十的边缘球员。把他排进前五的人不多,因为他季后赛不够成功,而且场上老是唧唧歪歪。不过就我来说,他绝对是历史前五。

    [–]Slymook 10 指標 4 天前

    Magic, Curry, Stockton, Isiah, Oscar Robertson, maybe Steve Nash ahead of Chris Paul. I’m prob missing some but no shot he’s top 5.

    魔术师、库里、斯托克顿、奥斯卡-罗伯特森,或者纳什也能在保罗之前。也许我漏了些人,不过他不可能在前五之内。

    [–][HOU] Yao Ming OldAccountHadRussH8 259 指標 4 天前

    ya, the r/nba popular list has magic curry stockton nash zeke

    姚明球迷:是啊,咱们这个专区最流行的榜单是:魔术师、库里、斯托克顿、纳什和微笑刺客。

    [–]Rockets byRockets 56 指標 4 天前

    Only magic and curry peaked higher

    火箭球迷:这些人里,只有魔术师和库里的巅峰比保罗更强。

    [–]Pistons gapmoeisjustice 102 指標 4 天前

    I mean there's Johnson, Thomas, Stockton, Robertson, and Curry. I can't see putting Paul in front of those guys. For me he's in the next bunch along with Payton/Nash/Kidd.

    活塞球迷:我觉得应该是魔术师、托马斯、斯托克顿、罗伯特森和库里。我没法把保罗放在这些人之前。我认为他和佩顿、纳什、基德是下一拨的。

    [–]Trail Blazers OldManWillow 35 指標 4 天前

    Yeah it's subjective for sure. But peak for peak I'd take Paul over anyone but Curry and magic. I'm admittedly not really considering the Big O because i haven't watched much film of him.

    开拓者球迷:嗯,这事儿肯定是有主观性的。不过就巅峰来说,我觉得保罗仅次于库里和魔术师。不过我得承认自己压根就没咋考虑罗伯特森,因为我看他的录像不多。

    [–]Pistons gapmoeisjustice 35 指標 4 天前

    Maybe I'm just a homer but I always thought Zeke in his earlier years (before the Bad Boys really got started) was about as good as it got.

    活塞球迷:也许我是为自家人说话吧,不过我一直都觉得生涯初期那些年的托马斯就已经相当厉害了。

    [–]Heat KniGht1st 62 指標 4 天前

    But if you are starting a team, would you take him over Magic, Robertson, Curry, West, Thomas, or Stockton?

    热火球迷:如果你要组建一支球队,你会把保罗放在魔术师、罗伯特森、库里、韦斯特、托马斯和斯托克顿之前考虑吗?

    [–]Celtics jhcooke98[] 16 指標 4 天前

    It's definitely arguable. Noones top five would be the same but it's fair to say CP3 deserves to be in the convo

    凯尔特人球迷:这事儿绝对有的聊。每个人的前五控卫榜单都是不同的,不过要说保罗值得被大家讨论,这也是合理的。

    [–]oryogurt 53 指標 4 天前

    Nash should be up there as well. Lead some of the greatest offenses of all time, pretty much exactly what a point guard should do on that end.

    纳什也该在那份榜单里,他可是带队打出了一些历史顶尖的进攻表现的,就这方面来说,这不就是控卫干得活儿嘛.

    [–]Suns Big_Poppers 31 指標 4 天前

    Peak Nash was back to back MVP dude.

    太阳球迷:巅峰期的纳什可是背靠背MVP的。

    [–]Cavaliers cptnhaddock 9 指標 4 天前

    I love Nash, but his defense was just too bad to be included on that list. I know offense is more important for pgs, but his d was just too bad.

    骑士球迷:我爱纳什,不过他的防守实在是太水了,进不了那份榜单。我知道进攻对控卫来说更重要,可是他的防守也太菜了些。

    [–]Raptors milkplantation 15 指標 4 天前

    I know this will get downvoted but Curry's defense isn't exactly strong either.

    猛龙球迷:我知道你们会踩我,不过库里的防守也不厉害啊。

    [–]Warriors HelloThereCat 20 指標 4 天前

    Yeah, but it's not a weakness like a lot of people seem to think it is. Nash's defense was definitely a weakness.

    勇士球迷:确实,不过他的防守也不是很多人误以为的那么弱。而纳什的防守绝对是他的短板。

    [–]Wizards ireddit270 6 指標 4 天前*

    I think we need to talk about CP3 as one of the greatest guards of all time period, not just PGs. In my opinion he’s solidly one of the 10 best guards to ever play this game.

    He’s like a created player who’s maxed out at 99 in everything, but just wasn’t blessed with the size to compare to MJ, Kobe, Magic etc.

    奇才球迷:我觉得咱们应该这么说保罗,他是史上最伟大的后卫之一,不仅仅是控卫范畴。在我看来,我绝对是史上十大后卫之一。

    他就像是那种各项能力值都按最大值99打造的系统球员一样,不过他就是身材没有得到老天眷顾啊,不然就能和乔丹、科比、魔术师这些人比比了。

    [–]Heat Gl0weN 53 指標 4 天前

    cp3? top 10 GUARDS all time?

    Did you even think about your comment for at least a second?

    热火球迷:保罗??历史前十后卫??

    你这话打出来之前都没有思考一下的吗?

    [–]Pistons Knutt_Bustley 3 指標 4 天前

    He's higher than borderline top 10 on most lists. Usually around top 5

    活塞球迷:在大多数人心中的前十控卫名单里,保罗比边缘要高。一般在前五左右。

    [–]Suns benderGOAT 45 指標 4 天前

    magic, curry, oscar, stockton I think should be undisputed top 4. After that, you have to decide if you think CP3 is better than Kidd, Nash, and Zeke. IMO, there is definitely a debate to be had and I would have a hard time calling him an "undisputed Top 5 PG ever". Too many other good Pg's.

    太阳球迷:我觉得魔术师、库里、罗伯特森、斯托克顿应该是无争议的前4.除此之外,你还得想想自己是否能认为保罗比基德、纳什、托马斯这些人更强。我觉得这肯定是有的说的,要说他是“无争议的历史前五控卫”还是很难的。还有很多很强的控卫啊。

    [–]benjimima 15 指標 4 天前

    Legit most reasonable take. For me, it’s probably Zeke, but I’m also glad you at least mentioned Kidd.

    你这真是最理性的说法。就我来说,或许第五是托马斯。不过楼上至少还提到了基德,这一点我还是很高兴的。

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    [–]Lakers rameninside 19 指標 4 天前

    The thing is I hate watching Chris Paul play because all he does is flop and whine

    湖人球迷:问题是我讨厌看保罗打球啊,因为他只会假摔和抱怨。

    [–]129763 6 指標 4 天前

    I’ll watch him but He’s still a bitch

    我会看他打球,但他还是个贱货。

    [–]bodhi407 9 指標 4 天前

    I still hate him lol

    我依然讨厌他,哈哈哈哈

    [–]NBA Mygaffer 3 指標 4 天前

    No one disrespects his game, it's his attitude some people don't like.

    没人反感他的比赛,有些人只是不喜欢他的态度。

    [–]Lakers Oxygenius_ 10 指標 4 天前

    Thank you man.

    This just goes to prove how bullshit these advanced metrics really are.

    According to these metrics CP3 > Magic lhh

    湖人球迷:感谢楼主。

    你罗列这么一堆恰好说明了那些高阶指标其实有多扯淡。

    根据那些数据来推,保罗都比魔术师厉害了。

    [–]Clippers WhyAmIAFanOfThisTeam 12 指標 4 天前

    I love CP3. He gets a bad rap for things that were mostly out of his control. An amazing player whose career will probably be underrated due to the lack of playoff success for his teams.

    快船球迷:我爱保罗。很多事情是他没法控制的,他却因此落下了骂名。就因为他所在的球队季后赛不够成功,这个出色的球员的职业生涯也许会被低估。

    [–]Bulls Herewegoagainreddit 72 指標 4 天前

    He gets a bad wrap for flopping, hooking , and playing dirty. Not sure which of those things is out of his control....

    公牛球迷:他名声臭是因为假摔、打架和打球脏。要说这里面哪些是他没法控制的,还真不好说……

    [–]Clippers WhyAmIAFanOfThisTeam 3 指標 4 天前*

    I meant more so his reputation for his playoff performances (even though he’s been good in the playoffs) and his teams performances.

    快船球迷:我主要是指他的季后赛表现和球队的表现给他带去的名声。

    [–]Rockets DjLionOrder 10 指標 4 天前

    But it's the double standard that kills me lol. LeBron flops, Manu definitely flops, etc etc, but they're loved around here.

    Make up your mind

    火箭球迷:有些人的双标真是笑死我了。詹姆斯假摔、吉诺比利也假摔,等等等。不过你们还是很喜欢他们。

    能不能有点自己的主见啊。

    [–]GiganticEgg 8 指標 4 天前

    People are usually willing to forgive flopping a lot more than they're willing to forgive dirty players.

    比起原谅肮脏的球风,大家一般更愿意去原谅假摔。

    [–]Bulls Herewegoagainreddit 18 指標 4 天前

    I dislike when they flop too. LeBron's been much better since he left Miami but he he was really bad back then. Fucking fake eye poke by d rose and then smile and wink at the camera. Or when he faked a neck injury when Chandler Tyson set a pick in the playoffs but of course was fine 20 seconds later. He really mastered the art of acting hurt on the ground to get free rest for a guy that had no injuries until last year.

    公牛球迷:那些球星假摔时我也不喜欢。詹姆斯自打离开迈阿密之后好多了,不过他以前确实球品不好。特么还假装被罗斯戳了眼睛,然后笑着冲镜头眨眼。要么是在季后赛里假装被做墙的钱德勒撞到了脖子,然后20秒之后就好了。在上赛季之前詹姆斯都没受过伤,不过他真的很擅长在场上诈伤骗休息时间。

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